you heard john boehner and mitch mcconnell have drawn thick lines in the sand. seems like they have turned it into concrete. so i don't know, while you hear corker say what he says, while you hear some others talk about it i don't know. the president will not do spitlement reform without something because it's painful for his base. >> oh, sure. >> without something on tax increases and i don't see how it happens. >> wow. >> chuck, my question for you and for the congressman as well is do you think that boehner would violate the so-called hester rule on the revenue side? would he allow a senate revenue bill to go through with the minority of the republicans supporting it? >> what is the number? i think if you have -- any time the senate is sending over legislation that has probably 75 votes for it, i think that boehner -- we have already seen him do that. he has already done it. there is major bills already. violence against women act was one and the fiscal cliff was another and sandy relief was another. he'll do it if there is huge numbers of republicans. not th